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NiF 06-08-2007 04:59 PM

Porcupine Tree
 
Alright, so, I know this is somewhat inappropriate in that it has little to do with Green Carnation - but I am seeking the guidance of you wise people.

Porcupine Tree is getting mentioned a lot on here and I have come across the name many times before. Always with high praise to back it up, so to speak. For me, it is one of those bands I have been meaning to check out for months or even years. Now, however, I am prepared to make an effort and well, give them a chance. And consequently, I would appreciate some advice; id est, where to start, what to expect and so forth. Supposedly, they play progressive rock and I have heard them compared to later Anathema and the like. They have a pretty large discography, so my main question remains: what album(s) will give me a good, solid introduction to PT?

Thank you =)

nickc 06-08-2007 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NiF (Post 2398679)
Alright, so, I know this is somewhat inappropriate in that it has little to do with Green Carnation - but I am seeking the guidance of you wise people.

Porcupine Tree is getting mentioned a lot on here and I have come across the name many times before. Always with high praise to back it up, so to speak. For me, it is one of those bands I have been meaning to check out for months or even years. Now, however, I am prepared to make an effort and well, give them a chance. And consequently, I would appreciate some advice; id est, where to start, what to expect and so forth. Supposedly, they play progressive rock and I have heard them compared to later Anathema and the like. They have a pretty large discography, so my main question remains: what album(s) will give me a good, solid introduction to PT?

Thank you =)

Welcome back, NiF - was wondering where you'd gone!

For me, the top albums are:

1. Lightbulb Sun: pop songs, mostly with a common theme of failed relationships and rejection. Poignant and honest.
2. In Absentia: pop songs, first moves towards a heavier sound, sophisticated arrangements and production
3. Deadwing: continuation of the In Absentia direction, and at least as good a record. Not quite as immediate as In Absentia, but far more rewarding if you give it time.
4. Stupid Dream: first pop album, lots of hooks and great moments.
5. The Sky Moves Sideways: melancholic - best listened to on gloomy days when the wind's blowing, with all your windows open. Demonstrates PT's earlier hallmarks, e.g. electronica, long songs.

You could also try their newest release. I'm still undecided on where it fits in, but it's a good record, no doubt!

Eliane 06-08-2007 07:59 PM

Yeah, Deadwing, In Absentia,Stupid Dreams,they're a classics....you must have to start with one of them...:D

nickc 06-09-2007 03:49 AM

In Absentia was my first album, and I was just thinking that's probably a good route in for anybody. You've got two all-time classic PT songs as the first two tracks, and it maintains its quality for most of the remainder.

nickc 06-09-2007 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eliane (Post 2398859)
Yeah, Deadwing, In Absentia,Stupid Dreams,they're a classics....you must have to start with one of them...:D

Any room for Lighbulb...? :emot-roll

:emot-LOL:

Eliane 06-09-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nickc (Post 2399361)
Any room for Lighbulb...? :emot-roll

:emot-LOL:

Ok...and Lightbulb Sun...sorry my mystake.. I loved this album from the moment I heard it. I checked out PT because of their singer Steve Wilson being Opeth's producer....This was my first experience with PT...."How Is Your Life Today"...I love that song...Gosh,I must have to listening this album again...I completely forgot about it...

nickc 06-09-2007 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliane (Post 2399568)
Ok...and Lightbulb Sun...sorry my mystake.. I loved this album from the moment I heard it. I checked out PT because of their singer Steve Wilson being Opeth's producer....This was my first experience with PT...."How Is Your Life Today"...I love that song...Gosh,I must have to listening this album again...I completely forgot about it...

Great song, and one that lays bare his motivation/inspiration for the record. Saw him perform it solo on keyboards a couple of years ago when he did a solo (with an electric violinist helping him out on "Even Less") support slot for Blackfield, along with Anathema playing with a string quartet. Was a fantastic night :emot-woot

"...and the neighbours have guessed 'cos I've cancelled the milk
and they can't hear your voice through the wall anymore..."

Blndsk4 06-11-2007 03:49 AM

In Absentia is what got me into them. Probably the best album to start with IMO.

MadTinus 06-11-2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Blndsk4 (Post 2401704)
In Absentia is what got me into them. Probably the best album to start with IMO.

Yes, IA is definitely the best place to start! That or the new one.

WhereDoEaglesDare? 06-15-2007 07:48 PM

shame about the new album not being very good (atleast imo) :(

nickc 06-16-2007 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WhereDoEaglesDare? (Post 2408407)
shame about the new album not being very good (atleast imo) :(

Give it more time ;O)

I thought the same thing about Deadwing for a long time, but it's now my second-favourite PT album.

MadTinus 06-16-2007 12:06 PM

What Nick said..

NiF 06-17-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nickc (Post 2398783)
Welcome back, NiF - was wondering where you'd gone!

Thank you! I still check here every now and then but I've been quite busy with my final exams and the like, so I reckon I haven't really been active. I have, of course, been following the suggestions in this thread; and I finally found a download for their entire discography (not to worry, I always end up buying good music and pretty much deleting the rest).

I have listened to three albums so far: that is, In Absentia (according to popular demand, so to speak), Deadwing (because it seemed like the next logical step) and On the Sunday of Life (to experience their older material). I'm pretty impressed, to be honest. I do think the albums will grow on me (it seems to be the kind of music); and I might end up loving Porcupine Tree as much as the rest of you. They certainly have potential.

On that note, I was reading about them on various internet sites and I noticed that they're playing in Copenhagen, Denmark next month. I phoned up a friend of mine, and ordered two tickets immediately! I figure I have ample time to get into their new album before then =)

So well, I appreciate the "help" and the motivation to finally give this band a chance. Another good thing coming from Britain, hehe. Please excuse the excessive use of parentheses; I am rather all over the place today.

MadTinus 06-17-2007 11:16 AM

You're in for a magnificent live experience!

nickc 06-17-2007 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NiF (Post 2409957)
Please excuse the excessive use of parentheses; I am rather all over the place today.

No worries - you punctuate very well! :emot-LOL:

Eliane 06-17-2007 02:08 PM

Hey guys,I gave FOBP another chance.And you know what? You were right. I haven't been able to stop listening to this CD.:emot-eek:

"the pills that I've been taking confuse me.":emot-LOL:

NiF 06-17-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliane (Post 2410158)
Hey guys,I gave FOBP another chance.And you know what? You were right. I haven't been able to stop listening to this CD.:emot-eek:

I completely agree with all of you - FoaBP is a good album. With such an album, the concert has great potential. I do, however, hope that they will play songs from past albums as well. I quite like what I've heard of their older material.

MadTinus 06-17-2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliane (Post 2410158)
Hey guys,I gave FOBP another chance.And you know what? You were right. I haven't been able to stop listening to this CD.:emot-eek:

"the pills that I've been taking confuse me.":emot-LOL:

Good, I'm proud of you! :emot-blin
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Originally Posted by NiF (Post 2410241)
I completely agree with all of you - FoaBP is a good album. With such an album, the concert has great potential. I do, however, hope that they will play songs from past albums as well. I quite like what I've heard of their older material.

They'll definitely play other songs, also some more 'obscure' B-side songs, so be sure to check them out too.

nickc 06-17-2007 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MadTinus (Post 2410343)
Good, I'm proud of you! :emot-blinThey'll definitely play other songs, also some more 'obscure' B-side songs, so be sure to check them out too.

Yeah, there's a B-side from the Lighbulb Sun days called "Buying New Soul" - I LOVE that song and they played it at the London show last year. Most people there didn't have a clue what it was! If you guys haven't heard it, go find!

MadTinus 06-18-2007 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nickc (Post 2410348)
Yeah, there's a B-side from the Lighbulb Sun days called "Buying New Soul" - I LOVE that song and they played it at the London show last year. Most people there didn't have a clue what it was! If you guys haven't heard it, go find!

"Buying New Soul" is featured on the "Recordings" album, which is a collection of B-sides and 'obscure' tracks. Despite that, the album is regarded by many fans (including myself) to be some of PT's finest material. The album was released in a limited numbered edition of 20,000 copies and is long sold out and therefore only available on ebay for quite a lot of money (prepare to pay at least 70 euro).

NiF 07-12-2007 08:49 AM

Okay, so I went to the concert - and it was brilliant. I haven't seen all that many concerts in my life so far but this one was definitely among the best of such experiences, only rivalled by a very intimate GC concert about a year ago (!). I want to thank you all for mentioning/discussing PT so often that I finally gave them a proper chance. I actually downloaded Deadwing a few years ago, listened through it quickly and decided against the band. Now I know better! =)

Edit: They performed the entire FoaBP and a lot of stuff from IA and SD. The only disappointment was that they did not (as far as I could tell) play anything off the first couple of releases - I would've loved to hear Radioactive Toy or something. Ah well.

nickc 07-12-2007 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NiF (Post 2439917)
Okay, so I went to the concert - and it was brilliant. I haven't seen all that many concerts in my life so far but this one was definitely among the best of such experiences, only rivalled by a very intimate GC concert about a year ago (!). I want to thank you all for mentioning/discussing PT so often that I finally gave them a proper chance. I actually downloaded Deadwing a few years ago, listened through it quickly and decided against the band. Now I know better! =)

Edit: They performed the entire FoaBP and a lot of stuff from IA and SD. The only disappointment was that they did not (as far as I could tell) play anything off the first couple of releases - I would've loved to hear Radioactive Toy or something. Ah well.

Cool, that.

My best concerts so far have gone:

'02: Opeth
'03: Opeth
'04: Can't remember
'05: Green Carnation
'06: Porcupine Tree
'07: Hmmm, not sure, not been to many this year. Have Tool coming up in August...

PT generally throws in just one or two REALLY old tracks per gig. Surprised you didn't get anything. You're lucky to get stuff from Stupid Dream, though. They've only EVER played Even Less when I've seen them (about 5 or 6 times now). NOT ONE of the other songs... damn them!!

Eliane 07-12-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nickc (Post 2439960)
Cool, that.

My best concerts so far have gone:

'02: Opeth
'03: Opeth
'04: Can't remember
'05: Green Carnation
'06: Porcupine Tree
'07: Hmmm, not sure, not been to many this year. Have Tool coming up in August...

PT generally throws in just one or two REALLY old tracks per gig. Surprised you didn't get anything. You're lucky to get stuff from Stupid Dream, though. They've only EVER played Even Less when I've seen them (about 5 or 6 times now). NOT ONE of the other songs... damn them!!

Guys, I want to see PT concert.Damn!!!:emot-LOL:
My best concerts so far have gone:
'01/'04-Therion
'02-A-Ha
'04-Massive Attack
'05-Evergrey
'05-W.A.S.P./Vader
'06-The Gathering
'06-Paradise Lost

Black Rose 09-14-2007 04:51 PM

I feel it is very difficult to tell you where to begin, because they are soooo diverse. My favorite of all is: Voyage 34. Quite different of anything I have ever heard. I guess you have already gotten started by now, so you are past the obvious. Please try Voyage, it is definately a magnificent voyage.
I adore anything of them, but more so now that they have gotten this more rocking sound (borowed form Opeth I guess). I'll be happy to see them on november 22nd when they're here in Belgium.
Quote:

Originally Posted by NiF (Post 2398679)
Alright, so, I know this is somewhat inappropriate in that it has little to do with Green Carnation - but I am seeking the guidance of you wise people.

Porcupine Tree is getting mentioned a lot on here and I have come across the name many times before. Always with high praise to back it up, so to speak. For me, it is one of those bands I have been meaning to check out for months or even years. Now, however, I am prepared to make an effort and well, give them a chance. And consequently, I would appreciate some advice; id est, where to start, what to expect and so forth. Supposedly, they play progressive rock and I have heard them compared to later Anathema and the like. They have a pretty large discography, so my main question remains: what album(s) will give me a good, solid introduction to PT?

Thank you =)


MadTinus 09-20-2007 03:21 PM

Who's heard Nil Recurring already? Thoughts? My copy should be on its way here.

nickc 09-21-2007 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadTinus (Post 2518175)
Who's heard Nil Recurring already? Thoughts? My copy should be on its way here.

Hope I receive mine by Monday.

I haven't cheated by downloading it, so not heard it yet. May cheat this weekend and get Shadows Of The Sun... a friend's downloaded it and keeps telling me how good it is, so my willpower is wearing thin...

MadTinus 09-21-2007 07:40 AM

Shadows Of The Sun, is that a band or a song?

nickc 09-21-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MadTinus (Post 2518940)
Shadows Of The Sun, is that a band or a song?

New Ulver album.

I've ordered the limited edition with a cool t-shirt, can't wait for it to arrive!!

Black Rose 09-21-2007 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadTinus (Post 2518175)
Who's heard Nil Recurring already? Thoughts? My copy should be on its way here.

Ordered the DVD Fear of a blank ......... with Nil Recurring included, but didn't get it yet. Looking forward to it. As MadTinus also very interested in thoughts of someone who did hear it already.

Black Rose 09-22-2007 11:22 AM

Nil Recuring
 
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Originally Posted by nickc (Post 2518897)
Hope I receive mine by Monday.

I haven't cheated by downloading it, so not heard it yet. May cheat this weekend and get Shadows Of The Sun... a friend's downloaded it and keeps telling me how good it is, so my willpower is wearing thin...

Tell me about it. My friend just e-mailed that he had received it ...... why does he have to live the other side of the country and can I only hear it on monday :emot-fail I don't like to download to much stuff, I like to hold the real thing in my hands (call me oldfashioned). But the agony of waiting is part of the thrill isn't it?


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