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Old 11-07-2007, 07:33 PM   #1
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Bass: pick vs. fingers?

I have played guitar for a long time and want to try my hand at bass. I have always used a pick for guitar and on Bass it just sounds so much cleaner. I have also heard a lot of bass players say that to use a pick is cheating. For most death metal doesnt the bass player just play what the guitar is doing anyway?
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:34 PM   #2
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I mean isn`t Mr. Casperson playing on your new cd ? He kills it man.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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easy. whatever floats your boats!
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:22 PM   #4
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both. like Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:24 PM   #5
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As for finger playing, I think if you've got a good bass tone, that's not all muddy, and you're hitting the notes cleanly, you should be able to hear the notes fairly well. Look at Erlend's playing for instance.

But no matter who you are, I think if you use a pick it's going to sound like it has a faster attack. On the other hand if you use a pick, you're always going to be thought of as a guitarist that's playing a bass. At least that's what crosses my mind whenever I see a bassist using a pick.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:26 PM   #6
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As for finger playing, I think if you've got a good bass tone, that's not all muddy, and you're hitting the notes cleanly, you should be able to hear the notes fairly well. Look at Erlend's playing for instance.
hahaha... not many fools play like dirty Erlend!!!!
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:31 PM   #7
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hahaha... not many fools play like dirty Erlend!!!!
Honestly, after seeing all the death metal bands I have seen over the years, I've concluded that most death metal bassists suck imo. Erlend just happens to be damn good, so he blows most bassists out of the sky with ease.

Finding a quality bassist is damn near impossible.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:50 PM   #8
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As for finger playing, I think if you've got a good bass tone, that's not all muddy, and you're hitting the notes cleanly, you should be able to hear the notes fairly well. Look at Erlend's playing for instance.

But no matter who you are, I think if you use a pick it's going to sound like it has a faster attack. On the other hand if you use a pick, you're always going to be thought of as a guitarist that's playing a bass. At least that's what crosses my mind whenever I see a bassist using a pick.
what do you mean by faster attack? i recon for really fast playing, its easier to hear the attack if you use fingers, whereas a pick usually shines more through on slower stuff. fingers also generally sound fatter to me. its just two completely different things.
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Honestly, after seeing all the death metal bands I have seen over the years, I've concluded that most death metal bassists suck imo. Erlend just happens to be damn good, so he blows most bassists out of the sky with ease
Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:52 PM   #10
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what do you mean by faster attack? i recon for really fast playing, its easier to hear the attack if you use fingers, whereas a pick usually shines more through on slower stuff. fingers also generally sound fatter to me. its just two completely different things.
I guess what I mean is that when a pick hits a string and then leaves that string, along with the fact that a pick is harder and touches less surface area on the string, it's typically going to attack the string faster and cleaner than a finger.

A finger is wider, and much softer, and is typically going to be on the string for a longer duration of time when it's hitting a string than a pick would be.

I don't play bass though, so I could be wrong.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd totally prefer a good finger player over a pick player. But I'd take a good pick player over a slow/sloppy finger player.
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:55 PM   #11
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Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Oh yeah, he's a good bassist as well. So is Risha, the dude from Inherit Disease, the dude from Origin, and many others I'm sure.
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:02 PM   #12
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Mike Flores is inaudible except for that little fill in Mental Torment (III version). Live he is really clangy, loud, doin all sorts of acrobatic shit. Not sure what to think. Hmmmmm. Cool ass dude though.
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:49 PM   #13
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it's not cheating if you play with a pick. it's just a different sound. go with whichever one you want.
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:58 PM   #14
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Murray fucking rules. He was originally a guitarist right? That guy from braindrill is pretty fucking good too.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:02 PM   #15
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It all comes down to preference really. There are advantages to each way of playing. Personally, I prefer finger style as it allows for more creative options: tapping, slapping ect.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:20 AM   #16
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New cephalic carnage dude is amazing.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:25 AM   #17
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Yeah, Cephalic's new bassist is absolutely nuts... Ion Dissonance's old bass player was pretty nuts, but he plays with Negativa now so it's all good \m/. And of course let's not forget Mr. Derek Boyer...

but yeah, I've always been a big jazz fusion guy, etc, so I've always preferred the tone of fingers personally... I'm all about Sean Malone, Digorgio, etc when it comes to that nasty fretless bass tone... mmmm.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:51 AM   #18
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There are advantages to each way of playing. Personally, I prefer finger style
The attack of a pick can be usefull, but I just play fingerstyle. It feels more natural to me sort of speak. More connection with the bass you know.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:57 AM   #19
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Fuck all the people who say bassists playing with a pick is cheating. thats bull.Personally i use 3 fingers since ive always been a huge Steve Digiorgio fan and seeing him i picked up the bass directly and not even touched the guitar.

Use whatever pick/fingers or whatever the fuck that guy from behmoth uses as long as your comfortable in the way your playing and can play what you want to play.try out everything.see what suits you best.its all personal preference at the end of the day.

If you are thinking about playing with your fingers then youll need alot of practice to play 16ths at 240.what i suggest is that since youll be starting off with bass and arent used to playing with your fingers then use a pick and in the mean time practice the 3 finger or 4 finger technique to nail the speed at which you guys play.

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Old 11-08-2007, 06:16 AM   #20
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hahaha... not many fools play like dirty Erlend!!!!

And I just got out of the shower and then I see this Give Matt a Fail, Mike ( or maybe my socks stunk up your tour-van last year? :S )
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:54 PM   #21
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I play both ways and both have advantages in certain situations. I started out playing with a pick because I started on guitar and found it easier. Fingerstyle sounds better to my ears, I used to like the sound you get from a pick but lately I 'm sick of it.
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If you are thinking about playing with your fingers then youll need alot of practice to play 16ths at 240.what i suggest is that since youll be starting off with bass and arent used to playing with your fingers then use a pick and in the mean time practice the 3 finger or 4 finger technique to nail the speed at which you guys play.

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That is what I have been doing but man my fingers are slow!! It seems I can do 16ths on a single note relatively fast but going to do any type of string skipping or a scale and it turns to mush.

The one thing I noticed about our old bass player who a lot of people said was great and stuff was during fast parts be was full on inaudible but during slow heavy parts he was loud and in your face where with a pick it seems to be more of a constant sound.

And yes Matt, Murray is sick and live they are an insanely tight band as well.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:42 PM   #23
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I mean isn`t Mr. Casperson playing on your new cd ? He kills it man.
Yes Erlend will be on the cd- this is not for Incinerate. I can't sing and play an instrument, let alone play the new material Scott is writing. At this point i'm just not that good.
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:28 PM   #24
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i wouldnt say using a pick for bass is cheating, though originally i believe it was meant for your fingers.I like the sound of using your fingers better anyway
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Do whatever suits you. Don't listen to anyone who talks about cheating or anything but if you want to be a showoff, you can do more with your bare hands.
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does anyone else kind of chuckle when they see a bass player playing a 6 string bass with a pick?
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Haha, yeah it is pretty funny.

Anyway I think your choice in picking style is what you make of it. I believe each style has a different sound and can be used as a means to whatever end you're trying to achieve.

I personally prefer the idea of playing with your fingers, and that's what I do. However it seems like it's much harder to sound good that way (playing fast that is).

I need more practice.
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i just know that because picks are skinnier they can tremolo faster than fingers, and metal defintely has a lot of tremolo. but if you want to skip strings, fingers are the way to go... or you can play cliassical guitar and get the best of both worlds with fingernails
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Yes Erlend will be on the cd- this is not for Incinerate. I can't sing and play an instrument, let alone play the new material Scott is writing. At this point i'm just not that good.
I meant aren`t you in touch with him ? I think if I had to pick a jedi master to train me, he`d be the one.
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That is what I have been doing but man my fingers are slow!! It seems I can do 16ths on a single note relatively fast but going to do any type of string skipping or a scale and it turns to mush.

The one thing I noticed about our old bass player who a lot of people said was great and stuff was during fast parts be was full on inaudible but during slow heavy parts he was loud and in your face where with a pick it seems to be more of a constant sound.

And yes Matt, Murray is sick and live they are an insanely tight band as well.
all i can say is to practice ,practice and practice some more.
try playing 321321 without galloping,use a metronome and increase slowly.
I thing that helped me become faster and increse my right hand strnght is that when your not practicing on your bass do the 321 pattern on the table,chair where ever your sitting.
and for the 16ths bit to become audible try hitting the strings harder like Mr Caspersen.
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