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Old 02-14-2007, 02:36 AM   #1
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How do you guys write?

Noctambulant blew me away with the intricate dual guitar harmonies. In fact, that album is probably one of the most harmonically interesting death metal albums I've ever heard; I'm wondering what you guys do? I read somewhere that one of you guys has trained in classical guitar... so I imagine you could give a fairly technical description of your thought process?

I'm really curious especially if your music is largely atonal or if you have keys in mind when you write; I'm terrible at discerning from listening :(

Also an open question to anyone: where can I get more stuff that sounds like the clean guitar work on this album? The intro to In My Own Greed is freaking phenomenal
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:16 AM   #2
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This album is fucking intense....

...and i am brutaly baked haha
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Old 02-16-2007, 01:36 AM   #3
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Thanks for replying!

That's very interesting and inspiring... next time I write, maybe I'll try something like that---steal a little bit of Bach!

Keep on slaying!
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Old 02-16-2007, 08:32 PM   #4
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Hey bryssling what Classical shit can you reccomend me ? I know alot of the great composers but what pieces in general by say like shostakovich or weiss would you recommend ? I too just started studying classical guitar. Noctambulant is a fucking masterpiece bro.
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Old 02-17-2007, 07:55 AM   #5
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ok, thanks. this question is kind of difficult for me to answer because my english is not that good hehe. but yes i studied classical guitar for a couple of years. but i learned most about harmonies before that, recording and experimenting. but of course i got a lot of new ideas through playing the classical stuff. mm dont know how to explain how i write them. and i have several formulas.

i always write with an key in mind. i think thats important for the flow in the song. but sometimes a riff sounds better in a different key than the original, if that happens i just write a small passage so the change feels natural.
but i always try to keep the whole song in the same key, except for the big middlepart(s) maybe.
the big middlepart is a part in the song that stands for its own, and are the highlight of the song. thats an idea i stole from bach. its not necessary that it goes in the same key as the rest of the song.

mmmm and i have to say that im not completly faithful to the key. i use small deviations to create a dirty feeling.


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Old 03-01-2007, 11:52 PM   #6
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what scales do you guys use?
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:54 PM   #7
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harmonic minor.
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:01 AM   #8
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Its not all harmonic minor. Alot of it seems to me like switching between modes in non corresponding keys. Baller.
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:38 PM   #9
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bryzz thanks for that response, post here more often!

I don't understand why people ask what scales a band use, doesn't really matter because no band is consistent.
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Old 04-09-2007, 07:08 AM   #10
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thanks man for that overview.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:13 AM   #11
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too bad i can´t find anything from stefan östersjö...no chance. :/
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Old 04-12-2007, 02:40 PM   #12
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Yeah neither can I. He's a Swedish player so I assume Bryssling saw him in the homeland.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:04 PM   #13
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hey bryssling, when you learn a classical piece that is notated for piano do you learn the bass clef part as well as treble? what about a note that is too high or too low for guitar? I have my methods but id like to here yours.thanks
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:41 AM   #14
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If you're trying to learn a piece that utilizes counterpoint, that also has notes too low or high for the guitar's range, it's probably going to take some careful arrangement and transposition to make it sound complete.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:27 PM   #15
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If you're trying to learn a piece that utilizes counterpoint, that also has notes too low or high for the guitar's range, it's probably going to take some careful arrangement and transposition to make it sound complete.
what do you suggest? I usually switch octaves around, but that can make for really awkward finger positions, do you change keys?
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Old 07-28-2007, 03:59 PM   #16
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Hey Bryssling, how do you usually come up with riffs? Do you think them out in your head and then transcribe it on guitar, or do you play around on the guitar? Some of the riffs are so complex I'm interested in how you come up with them.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:48 PM   #17
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about that stefan ostersjo guy, i did a bunch of looking around and i found his email, and i have gotten in contact with him, so hopefully i can buy his albums from him directly.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:24 AM   #18
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about that stefan ostersjo guy, i did a bunch of looking around and i found his email, and i have gotten in contact with him, so hopefully i can buy his albums from him directly.
ok, thats cool.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:27 PM   #19
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Bryzz:

I've definitely noticed on analyzing the official tabs that all the fingerings are classical in arrangement...

For instance, in the sour flow tab on the chorus, why do you choose to play the first F on the A string instead of at the 6th fret on the low E string, and the F natural on the G string instead of at the eighth fret of the D string? If those two notes were played in place of the original arrangement, it would only be a one semitone slide up to the F# at the ninth fret of the D string putting you in perfect position for that chord and subsequent jump to the octave slide... is there a reasoning to transcribing it the way you have, or do you guys just like to make it harder on yourself? :D
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what scales do you normal use when doing the jazz/classical type interludes, especially in the beginning of in my own greed... i fuckin love the feel that has... my guess would be half(maybe whole??)diminished or possibly even harmonic minor
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:04 PM   #21
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I dont wanna sound like a jackass but alot of people here are asking about what scales are used in, in my own greed. Its not only about scales, to compose pieces like this you need a vast knowledge of music theory and how harmonies work. Learning a diminished or harmonic minor scale in certain keys wont do anything, You need understand music theory.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:33 PM   #22
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^^

Precisely... there's no "scale" you can use to write something like that.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:40 AM   #23
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Hey BZM were you in the Necrophagist forum??
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:51 PM   #24
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David Valdes is a nice guy to be listening to as well. He`s not pure classical, he`s like neoclassical, bu he sticks much more with the classical stuff than most of the guitarists. He even recorded some Bach on his new cd "Imhotep". Pretty good stuff.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:05 PM   #25
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Hey BZM were you in the Necrophagist forum??
Yeah, I was, before it disappeared.
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Yeah it was a good forum, but suborner was a prick.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:08 AM   #27
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Yeah it was a good forum, but suborner was a prick.
Was suborner a girl? I can't seem to remember.
It's too bad we don't get to hear from Muhammed anymore.
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