ENGL FIREBALL 100 E635

modern death · 04-05-2009, 05:03 PM

Guess it's an upgrade over the original Fireball E625, looks like they added a Noisegate, and it's up from 60 watts to 100. Wonder how it sounds. Adam.. buy one of these and lemme know how it is.

oh, and:

TheBlackFlux · 04-05-2009, 09:03 PM

modern death · 04-05-2009, 09:37 PM

TheBlackFlux · 04-05-2009, 09:56 PM

teacup · 04-06-2009, 02:15 AM

I thought about buying it...

modern death · 04-06-2009, 04:28 AM

Fuckin' bad ass, man.. how was the experience?

F0RBIDDEN · 04-06-2009, 09:00 AM

Eh I'm over ENGL...

teacup · 04-06-2009, 02:33 PM

They definitely have some gain, that's for sure. But the tone sounds a bit harsh and sterile to some people. Not as versatile as the Powerball which isn't that much more expensive.

ChAAPY · 04-06-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ten_second_infinity

it's up from 60 watts to 100.

haha, so unnecessary.

modern death · 04-06-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAAPY

haha, so unnecessary.

yep, lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by teacup

They definitely have some gain, that's for sure. But the tone sounds a bit harsh and sterile to some people. Not as versatile as the Powerball which isn't that much more expensive.

Yeah, I remember that guy Inertiopus (andrew?) recorded a video of some DB/Death and I hated how his Powerball sounded. Maybe it was because he was standing in front of it or something...

teacup · 04-06-2009, 05:05 PM

Could be. The amps lack a little sweetness IMO. I'll be getting Carvin v3 soon.

Inertiopus · 04-06-2009, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ten_second_infinity

yep, lol

Yeah, I remember that guy Inertiopus (andrew?) recorded a video of some DB/Death and I hated how his Powerball sounded. Maybe it was because he was standing in front of it or something...

It was actually because it was on channel 4 and my stupid guitar had the overdrive switch on . Some stupid mistakes. It did sound atrocious. I think the wattage upgrade on the fireball is gonna kick ass . Not unnecessary at all. I played an invader for the 2nd time the other day trying to give it another chance but I hate that thing.

teacup · 04-07-2009, 12:14 AM

What didn't you like about it?

Orkestra · 04-07-2009, 04:45 AM

I kitted out my powerball, sounds great now.

NOS Jan-Phillips 5751 in V1, GT-12AX7-R3 in V2, and two GT-12AX7-C's a GT-6L6 S (similar to the KT77 apparently) power section which break up early, when combined with the 5751 in V1, it pushes the distortion away from the pre-amp and to the power-amp. I get the 'thump' but none of the sterile fizz.

much better.

modern death · 04-07-2009, 09:10 AM

You running through a Marshall?

Orkestra · 04-07-2009, 09:25 AM

yes, live. The ENGL cab didn't seem to stand up to the road.

It really has opened it up

modern death · 04-07-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Orkestra

yes, live. The ENGL cab didn't seem to stand up to the road.

It really has opened it up

Damn, really? I was thinking about getting one (a few months ago) but it was a few dollars too expensive, went and got the Vader 4x12 instead. I'm guessing I made the right decision, as the Vader is monstrous.

Orkestra · 04-07-2009, 09:39 AM

yes you did. Vaders, as is my understanding; are indestructible.

My ENGL came out for 3 months last year. Lost a wheel, then another. all the covering tore of the sides when it went in and out of the van and the speakers constantly needed tightening up.

Still, when tightened, it sounds AMAZING. but the Vader is probably better.

F0RBIDDEN · 04-07-2009, 07:16 PM

5150s and Mesa cabs ftw.

Dan_Nailed · 04-07-2009, 07:58 PM

The Fireball was always the best Engl in terms of price/performance, nice and simple with crushing tone at a volume that's useable. This looks really interesting, the noise gate is a good idea, along with the mid boost and separate gains. If you can assign the mid boost to one of the Master controls then you've basically got a two channel amp...interesting but I can't see either Mass or Jim getting rid of their Fireballs for this new version.

egdeltar · 04-07-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ten_second_infinity

I'm guessing I made the right decision, as the Vader is monstrous.

Definitely the right choice. The Vaders are just fucking BUILT. great for the road, I havent had a single issue with them whereas all my previous cabs fell apart on tour. FUCK TOLEX.

One thing though is I have gone to record with them twice and each time they sounds like pooh, always just end up using a marshall.

modern death · 04-07-2009, 08:44 PM

ah, well we re-amped the guitars so I'm not sure how much of that actually went through to the final mix.. I do like the idea of having the built-in noise-gate.. since that's all I'm missing at the moment. That ISP Decimator is really nice I've heard, but it's a bit pricey and I kind of wanted to have my setup without needing any pedals.

teacup · 04-07-2009, 08:44 PM

What 'bout them Emperor cabinets? THAT'S A LOT OF WOOD!

ruonitb · 04-08-2009, 03:15 AM

I never really like the sound of the "old Fireball.
And I'm not sure if the integrated noise-gate is any good; the newer version of the Powerball has an integrated noise-gate as well and people say it sucks and they still have to/prefer to put a pedal in front of the amp.

If the decimator is too pricey, go with the BOSS NS2; if you don't push the settings too hard, the influence on the sound isn't that big.

The amp should have an input for the pedal on it's back, then your amp will be just quiet (so don't put the pedal between guitar and amp).

Forbidden:

What ENGL amps have you tried and why don't you like them (anymore)?!
A lot of US people seem to be crazy about ENGL amps. ;)

Orkestra · 04-08-2009, 08:31 AM

ignore the shitty playing and idiotic 4am attitude, listen to the tone.

imbutawaveto · 04-08-2009, 08:39 AM

thats why it got boosted in price?

ive been thinking about using my tax refund to purchase a fireball.

Mr.Bled · 04-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Haven't had to much luck with the vader holding up either! Both ours are fucking destroyed! Wheels fell out along with two of the actual holders. Speakers fall out and have to be rescrewed and the tolex is damn near gone. Great tone though I love em'
edit: Marlon the ISP is sick but for half the money you can get the MXR pedal that works 95% as good as the rack mount ISP. We had both and sold the ISP

modern death · 04-08-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orkestra

ignore the shitty playing and idiotic 4am attitude, listen to the tone.

Cool riff at 1:04! That's through the engl cab?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Bled

Marlon the ISP is sick but for half the money you can get the MXR pedal that works 95% as good as the rack mount ISP. We had both and sold the ISP

hmm, I'll look into it, thanks

Dan_Nailed · 04-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ten_second_infinity

hmm, I'll look into it, thanks

I would also heartily recommend the MXR Smart Gate...

Inertiopus · 04-08-2009, 04:27 PM

Built in noise gate is crap. The Isp is where it`s at.

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modern death Hails Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 13,053 Rep Power: 29	Fuckin' bad ass, man.. how was the experience?

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F0RBIDDEN Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cambridge, Ontario Posts: 4,059 Rep Power: 21	Eh I'm over ENGL...

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teacup Duck Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 0	They definitely have some gain, that's for sure. But the tone sounds a bit harsh and sterile to some people. Not as versatile as the Powerball which isn't that much more expensive.

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teacup Duck Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 0	Could be. The amps lack a little sweetness IMO. I'll be getting Carvin v3 soon.

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teacup Duck Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 0	What didn't you like about it?

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Orkestra FUCKINGWOLFSHIRTFUCK Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 5,638 Rep Power: 21	I kitted out my powerball, sounds great now. NOS Jan-Phillips 5751 in V1, GT-12AX7-R3 in V2, and two GT-12AX7-C's a GT-6L6 S (similar to the KT77 apparently) power section which break up early, when combined with the 5751 in V1, it pushes the distortion away from the pre-amp and to the power-amp. I get the 'thump' but none of the sterile fizz. much better.

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modern death Hails Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 13,053 Rep Power: 29	You running through a Marshall?

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Orkestra FUCKINGWOLFSHIRTFUCK Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 5,638 Rep Power: 21	yes, live. The ENGL cab didn't seem to stand up to the road. It really has opened it up

04-07-2009, 09:39 AM	#18
Orkestra FUCKINGWOLFSHIRTFUCK Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 5,638 Rep Power: 21	yes you did. Vaders, as is my understanding; are indestructible. My ENGL came out for 3 months last year. Lost a wheel, then another. all the covering tore of the sides when it went in and out of the van and the speakers constantly needed tightening up. Still, when tightened, it sounds AMAZING. but the Vader is probably better.

04-07-2009, 07:16 PM	#19
F0RBIDDEN Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cambridge, Ontario Posts: 4,059 Rep Power: 21	5150s and Mesa cabs ftw.

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Dan_Nailed Mesa/Boogie user Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 267 Rep Power: 16	The Fireball was always the best Engl in terms of price/performance, nice and simple with crushing tone at a volume that's useable. This looks really interesting, the noise gate is a good idea, along with the mid boost and separate gains. If you can assign the mid boost to one of the Master controls then you've basically got a two channel amp...interesting but I can't see either Mass or Jim getting rid of their Fireballs for this new version.

04-07-2009, 08:44 PM	#22
modern death Hails Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 13,053 Rep Power: 29	ah, well we re-amped the guitars so I'm not sure how much of that actually went through to the final mix.. I do like the idea of having the built-in noise-gate.. since that's all I'm missing at the moment. That ISP Decimator is really nice I've heard, but it's a bit pricey and I kind of wanted to have my setup without needing any pedals.

04-08-2009, 03:15 AM	#24
ruonitb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austria Posts: 1,028 Rep Power: 16	I never really like the sound of the "old Fireball. And I'm not sure if the integrated noise-gate is any good; the newer version of the Powerball has an integrated noise-gate as well and people say it sucks and they still have to/prefer to put a pedal in front of the amp. If the decimator is too pricey, go with the BOSS NS2; if you don't push the settings too hard, the influence on the sound isn't that big. The amp should have an input for the pedal on it's back, then your amp will be just quiet (so don't put the pedal between guitar and amp). Forbidden: What ENGL amps have you tried and why don't you like them (anymore)?! A lot of US people seem to be crazy about ENGL amps. ;)

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Orkestra FUCKINGWOLFSHIRTFUCK Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 5,638 Rep Power: 21	ignore the shitty playing and idiotic 4am attitude, listen to the tone.

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imbutawaveto Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 4,610 Rep Power: 22	thats why it got boosted in price? ive been thinking about using my tax refund to purchase a fireball.

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Mr.Bled jenkem addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 761 Rep Power: 14	Haven't had to much luck with the vader holding up either! Both ours are fucking destroyed! Wheels fell out along with two of the actual holders. Speakers fall out and have to be rescrewed and the tolex is damn near gone. Great tone though I love em' edit: Marlon the ISP is sick but for half the money you can get the MXR pedal that works 95% as good as the rack mount ISP. We had both and sold the ISP

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Inertiopus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 874 Rep Power: 13	Built in noise gate is crap. The Isp is where it`s at.